
Imagine it: It’s 1978 and kids and comic book fans of all ages are excited to get a new animated series about Marvel’s First Family, the Fantastic Four. The opening credits set the stage, as narration informs us of the FF’s origin:
“It was the world's strangest accident. While testing a new rocket ship, our heroes were bombarded by mysterious cosmic rays from outer space. Though they crash-landed safely, the strange and powerful rays had changed each one of them. Transforming their leader, Reed Richards, into the plastic-skinned Mr. Fantastic; Sue Richards into the ‘now you see her, now you don't’ Invisible Girl; and Ben Grimm into a mighty-muscled powerhouse called the Thing. Now together with H.E.R.B.I.E. the robot, the newest member of the group, they have become the greatest team of superheroes the world has ever known. The New Fantastic Four!”
But just wait one second… who the hell is H.E.R.B.I.E. the robot, the so-called “newest member of the group” - and where the hell is Johnny Storm, the Human Torch!?
It was an understandable question given the Fantastic Four boasts one of the most solid team lineups in comics history. Oh, sure, members might take breaks for a while (or be dead for a bit, because, you know… comics) with someone else subbing in. But inevitably, Reed, Sue, Johnny and Ben are restored as the title characters.
H.E.R.B.I.E.'s presence in the 1978 Saturday morning cartoon, The New Fantastic Four, would lead to years of incorrect information about why he was there in the first place and a reputation that often made him something of a joke. But with the character about to make his proper movie debut in The Fantastic Four: First Steps, let’s look back at the journey of H.E.R.B.I.E., from a mostly dismissed character to getting his spotlight in the MCU - and how he would still have a special place in comic book history regardless, thanks to the two legends who created him blending their talents together one final time.
Actually, Johnny Was (Potentially) Busy
The core question of why H.E.R.B.I.E. was even created in the first place for The New Fantastic Four and used instead of the Human Torch was, for many years, given a widely repeated answer that was also totally incorrect. Who knows how it first began, but the widespread belief – one I recall hearing myself as a kid in the ’80s who would occasionally see repeats of The New Fantastic Four – was that there were fears that children might set themselves on fire in an attempt to emulate the Human Torch. This was curious, given the Torch not only had been in comic books readily available to kids since 1961, but had also been a part of the first Fantastic Four cartoon in 1967 (and all subsequent FF series and films) without this concern ever hindering his use. So why would this be the case just in 1978?
Why H.E.R.B.I.E. was even created and used instead of the Human Torch was, for many years, given a widely repeated answer that was also totally incorrect. Longtime comic book and animated series writer Mark Evanier finally laid this persistent rumor to rest 20 years ago, explaining the Human Torch wasn’t on the 1978 series for a reason comic book fans are very familiar with as far as creating complications for adaptations - screen rights being licensed separately. You see, in the late 1970s, Universal was going big attempting to bring Marvel Comics characters to television in live-action, resulting in poorly received Doctor Strange and Captain America TV movies (well, two TV movies in Cap’s case), and one genuine success - the five-season Incredible Hulk series starring Bill Bixby and Lou Ferrigno.
The Human Torch was licensed by Universal for the same purpose, locking up his TV rights entirely at the time, animation included, and making the character unavailable for The New Fantastic Four, which had no Universal connection (The New FF aired on NBC, but this was long before NBC and Universal merged). Of course, as often can be the case, the Human Torch deal never actually resulted in anything being produced with the character by Universal, though a script was written.
Regarding The New Fantastic Four, Evanier acknowledges that there were times where even some people involved with other Marvel cartoons had perpetuated the false “they were worried kids would set themselves on fire” explanation. As Evanier put it, the rumor “was abetted by a few statements from folks who worked on Marvel animated projects, saying that the Torch was omitted for the cited reason. Either they had short memories or figured there was some P.R. benefit to claiming that. And, of course, it's theoretically possible that had they not had to make the switch, there would have been some objection to the Torch. But it never came to that.”
The Final Co-Creation of Stan and Jack
So with the Human Torch off the table, how did H.E.R.B.I.E. come to be? By making use of the very same two comic book industry icons who had created the Fantastic Four in the first place, before going on to co-create a slew of the most pivotal comic characters and concepts in history including the X-Men, Hulk, Iron Man, Black Panther, the Avengers and much more – Stan Lee and Jack Kirby.
By the late ’70s, Lee was much more involved in Marvel’s Hollywood aspirations than the company’s comic book output, and created and personally wrote many episodes of The New Fantastic Four. Kirby in the meantime had returned to Marvel after a notable rift with both the company at large and Lee in particular, after tensions had built up throughout his tenure there during the 1960s. Unfortunately though, it was, by all accounts, not a very happy or well-received return for a man whose legendary impact on comics went back to co-creating Captain America in 1940. But near the end of what would ultimately be his final stint ever with Marvel, Kirby did some work as a storyboard and concept artist for The New Fantastic Four, as recounted in Sean Howe’s Marvel Comics: The Untold Story.
Not so coincidentally, the mega-popularity of Star Wars had recently introduced R2-D2 into the public consciousness, leading to a lot more robot pals suddenly being included in fiction. And so it came to be that Stan Lee decided the FF would have a new robot teammate named H.E.R.B.I.E. to substitute for the Human Torch and Jack Kirby then drew the character and conceived his look. In the process, Lee and Kirby gave us one last co-creation from a partnership that certainly was turbulent and complicated, but was also absolutely remarkable in terms of what resulted from it.
No one was claiming H.E.R.B.I.E. was the next Hulk, but he got a healthy spotlight on The New Fantastic Four, where he played a big role in many of the episodes. And while his high pitched voice certainly leaned towards the cutesy, he at least had a stellar voice actor in the form of the great Frank Welker (can you believe that dude not only is Megatron but is still voicing Scooby-Doo’s Fred Jones after 56 years?!). For kids without a comics background, H.E.R.B.I.E. went over just fine, though others more immersed in the comics might be more prone to annoyance over him replacing the Human Torch. That was especially true for older FF fans, since the oft-stated false explanation regarding kids hurting themselves sounded far-fetched, yet also like something a random TV executive might have frustratingly decided.
Ultimately though, The New Fantastic Four wasn’t a show the people behind the scenes were happy with, with both Lee himself and NBC President Fred Silverman expressing their dissatisfaction by the end of Season 1. As recounted in Mark Arnold’s Think Pink: The Story of DePatie-Freleng, Lee was hoping to overhaul the show in a second season, but that wasn’t to be, as NBC cancelled the series.
H.E.R.B.I.E. Comes to Comics (and Toy Shelves)
In an attempt at synergy, H.E.R.B.I.E. was introduced into Marvel Comics continuity a year after his animated debut, in 1979’s Fantastic Four #209. In the comics, H.E.R.B.I.E. was created by Mister Fantastic and the Xandarian called Master Xar as part of an attempt to track down Galactus. In a meta touch, we learned Reed was inspired by The New Fantastic Four cartoon, which it turned out existed within Marvel’s comic book continuity, where it was based on the “real-life” heroes. And, just as in our world, H.E.R.B.I.E. replaced Human Torch on that series, here given the jokey explanation that Johnny Storm no-showed an early meeting with the production company and got swapped out as a result.
However, with The New Fantastic Four cancelled just as H.E.R.B.I.E was debuting in the comics, the robot only appeared in eight issues before he destroyed himself in the wake of a villain taking control of him, nobly wanting to ensure it wouldn’t happen again. And though he would pop up again – hand-waved away as Reed simply deciding to build more robots with the same name – H.E.R.B.I.E.'s appearances became incredibly sporadic after those first eight issues, including a massive 16-year break between 1982 and 1998. And most of his return appearances, including in a few alternate reality stories, were brief and jokey one-offs.
H.E.R.B.I.E. was a bit of a kitsch inclusion at this point, used for some humorous nostalgia fueled by the oddness of his initial conception in the 1978 cartoon. The winking nostalgia for H.E.R.B.I.E. also led versions of the character to appear in animated form again on shows like 2006’s The Fantastic Four: World’s Greatest Heroes and 2009’s The Super Hero Squad Show.
The winking cult of H.E.R.B.I.E. also has always had one other thing going for it… That little guy sure is toyetic! And so it came to be that a 2004 Toy Biz Marvel Legends box set of the FF not only also included the team’s arch nemesis Doctor Doom and Reed and Sue’s son, Franklin, but none other than H.E.R.B.I.E. And then, more recently, a high-end/high-priced box set of the FF in action figure form from Mezco – first announced in 2021 but then finally released in 2024 – had Reed, Sue, Ben, Johnny… and good ol’ H.E.R.B.I.E. Not bad for a character who still has barely over 100 comic book appearances, despite having debuted 47 years ago.
In recent years, H.E.R.B.I.E. has begun to pop up in Marvel Comics a bit more – though still rarely on a regular basis – including in crossover events like Iron Man 2020 and the current One World Under Doom. That last one is likely inspired by his impending appearance in a certain big summer movie, and it feels like there might be a lot more in store for comic book H.E.R.B.I.E. going forward if the film is well received.
Ready for the Big Screen
Though there have been several depictions of the Fantastic Four in movie form at this point, none of them have ever previously tackled H.E.R.B.I.E., outside of a quick, Easter egg cameo as a deactivated robot glimpsed in Reed Richards’ workshop in a deleted scene from the 2005 FF film (where he looked more like Crow from Mystery Science Theater 3000 than his animated or comic book counterparts).
That changes in a big way with 2025’s The Fantastic Four: First Steps where H.E.R.B.I.E. – voiced by General Grievous himself, Matthew Wood – is not only a part of the film, but has been all over the marketing, with trailers letting us know he does everything from help Ben Grimm make Sunday night dinner to assist in babysitting duties for Reed Richards and Sue Storm. Previously, H.E.R.B.I.E. might have felt like a stretch – no Mister Fantastic pun intended – for a live-action film, but not with First Steps, which takes place in an alternate reality where everything has a 1960s retro-future aesthetic.
Though H.E.R.B.I.E. might have actually been created in the late ’70s, it’s simple enough to slightly reconceive him into the future envisioned in the 1950s and 1960s by the likes of Walt Disney, letting him fit right into the mid-century-modern-meets-rocket-ships visuals of First Steps. No wonder H.E.R.B.I.E. has already been announced to eventually join the FF when the team makes their debut at Disney Parks within Disneyland’s Tomorrowland, an area of Disneyland Resort that matches well with the world within the Fantastic Four’s new film.
For a long time, H.E.R.B.I.E. was mainly a bit of funny trivia for Fantastic Four fans – and frequently mistold trivia at that, thanks to the incorrect information about his origins. But now he’s ready for his close up on a movie screen, where he can join his pals and fellow Stan Lee/Jack Kirby creations Reed, Sue, Ben and, yep, Johnny Storm, the guy he once replaced, to help face whatever threats dare challenge the Fantastic Four.